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welcome to Sputnik orbiting the world

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with me George Galloway and me gri short

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of predictions of Russian soldiers with

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snow on their boots in Oxford Street

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you'd think we were entering a wintry

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phase of a new Cold War British

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politicians and their media Echo chamber

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are in overdrive trying to hang Russia

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out to dry first it was Riot then

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gay rights now is the Russian response

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to the Western provocation in the

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Ukraine although as the name suggest the

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G20 consist of more than the US and its

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usual satellites you would have thought

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that China India Brazil South Africa

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Indonesia turkey which together count

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for half the world's population hadn't

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shown up in Brisbane last week all the

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news was about the supposed Shir

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fronting of President Putin the aggro

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came from men while one woman with white

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faces but their B boots were a little

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threadbear teetering around bankruptcy

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as most of them are but what's it all

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about really why would the citizens of

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austerity Europe and the USA want to

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pick a fight with Russia and her friends

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helping us answer this riddle wrapped in

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a mystery inside an enigma is Alexander

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necrosoft former Kremlin adviser but

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first let's take a look at what the

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people in the streets had to say about

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Russia do they feel threatened by the

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Russian can bear yes I do think they're

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bad um I'm a gay person anyway so um

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just think it's really bad what they're

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doing to people like that and the whole

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Ukraine thing is a bit what pardon um

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the whole laws on homosexuality I don't

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find should

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be like something that's in forc in

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everyday life now so um yeah just think

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they're a bit behind and backwards at

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the moment there's a lot of violence or

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and the media here there's portrayed a

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lot of violence against homosexuals in

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Russia and

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uh it being made illegal although I'm

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not sure if that's correct in my

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understanding but um and that's

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something in when you live in quite a

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liberal westernized um Society kind of

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doesn't feel right no I'm ex-military

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and I don't really see it as

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a a threat it's a it's a big Power if it

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gets back in power it will be a big

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power but uh uh at the moment no the way

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Putin is thinking it's something like

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communist era yeah like you know can you

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explain their way of thinking yeah like

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he's doing what want because he want all

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the gas and the and the petrol and

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everything and the big poers from West

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um west countries they don't have enough

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um courage to go to him right there you

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see look you've done too much already I

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think America will have another war with

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they want the Cold War back but it's

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about arms it's about selling arms to

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countries Alexander a mixed bag of

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popular uh reactions and it's hardly

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surprising I've got the daily mail from

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earlier this week almost a spoof

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headline it says Russians spy on UK

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families via their webcams enough to

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chill the bone of every parent in the

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land that

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Boris with snow on his boots is watching

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their children in their bedrooms are

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watching their kids brushing their teeth

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this is becoming almost hysterical isn't

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it well it is hysterical I think it's

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been hysterical since last November uh

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in when when the events started to

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unravel in Ukraine I think that uh what

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we are witnessing here is Soviet style

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propaganda strangely enough against

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Russia against Russia so it turns

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against Russia and the interesting thing

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is everyone is avoiding the main point

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what happened in February when a

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legitimate government was overthrown

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basically in an armed CP yes by violence

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and that is where the whole thing

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started but nobody remembers that for

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some reason in the western media it's

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always the events move forwards and we

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talk about Crimea only as if Crimea was

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something that uh Putin decided guys

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let's take over Crimea there was nothing

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like that first of all what they don't

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understand these hex I mean is that

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Putin reflects what the Russian people

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want he's not Cameron or Obama who

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decide let's go into Libya or let's go

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into Iraq or let's go I don't know where

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else they're going to go Syria probably

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and uh they are there already well

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they're probably going to go in big time

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and the point here is that it's always

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Putin did that Putin did this and he

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decided and so on and this I think is a

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very important point that is being

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missed it's the people of Crimea who

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decided to go back to Russia it's not

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that Putin said to them to come back not

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quite now we'll come in a minute to that

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very last point that the former military

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man in your Vox pops uh said that it's

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it's about selling arms it's about

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creating uh tension uh in the in the

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world for political and uh even uh

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military industrial uh reasons what come

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to that you say the hacks have forgotten

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that well for yeah I mean it isn't true

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they haven't these are educated fellows

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uh they are in many cases Highly

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Educated people uh they know very well

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the sequence of events it's willful

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Distortion of the truth I mean Russians

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spy on UK families via their

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webcams I mean why wasn't that thrown

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out as an April Fool joke instead of

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being on the front page of almost the

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biggest selling newspaper in the country

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you know what they forgot to mention

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that this website this Russian website

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actually revealed these clips from what

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120 countries Russia sorry Britain is

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just a small part of it and these are

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all webcams sort of private ones which

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are showing rooms and baby uh webcams

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and so on which make no sense of course

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the moment you read the article you

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realize it's the headline the people who

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are spying on all UK families is the

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British government

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gchq my six Edward Snowden told us all

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about it read all about it I mean that

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headline should have said British

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mobile phone their internet their webcam

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and everything else probably got

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somebody up your chimney not forgetting

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the Americans by the way who are spying

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after everyone on everyone even on

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Angela merel now here's the point why

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did all these uh the the the anglosaxon

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governments we can understand the famous

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five uh of the former settler States

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plus Britain uh the that Unity is always

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angeler tamely go along behind Barack

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Obama's policy when it is deeply

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damaging to the German economy which is

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already now moving into slump and when

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the Americans were tapping her own

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personal

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telephone well I think it's a bigger

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game here first of all we must

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understand that America is trying to

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drive a wedge between Russia and Europe

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this has got a political and Commercial

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side to it th this is the whole game of

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this uh uh crisis in in Ukraine it needs

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to cut Russia off and flood the European

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markets with its own Goods because it's

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sinking America is bankrupt let's face

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it it's the only way it can save itself

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is if it takes over Europe with through

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that dodgy Free Trade Agreement which is

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trying to impose on them with Merkel now

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here is a difficult one because um her

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own party is actually up in arms against

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her not all of them but some of them and

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I think she's playing a dangerous game

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here because the German economy is The

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Biggest Loser of them all if if if they

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cut off Russia completely so I don't

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really it's like a death wish

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you know she has a death wish I think

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because I maybe they found something

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compromising on her telephone well

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that's that something I thought about as

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well and you know why I thought about

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this remember when she went to to the

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United States before that when she met

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saying no no we should find the way

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around it there were

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actually uh negotiations going on

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between Germany uh Russia and CR behind

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the scenes and um so it she she was in a

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different and then suddenly after that

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visit and meeting Obama she changed

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completely now I was thinking at the

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time it's my my my my suspicions but

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maybe you know they found something in

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her past when she was living in gdr that

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that they could use against because I I

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couldn't understand the transformation

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and the logic not that stupid another

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way yeah what's about the Russian people

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themselves the population are they aware

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of this whole Cold War rhetoric that's

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resurrected um well here in the west how

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how is it how is it being received there

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websites and and in particular Russian

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bloggers you know who respond

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immediately to everything and they will

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respond to that story as well and I can

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tell you that yes of course they realize

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the situation and they realize the

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massive massive propaganda that's going

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in the western press in the western

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world uh politic politicians as well but

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the point is and this is my opinion

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personal opinion I don't think that the

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Cold War has actually gone had actually

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gone the reason being if if it did NATO

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would not have existed but once NATO

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started to move eastwards that meant the

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Cold War in a in a different type in a

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different way I'm not saying it's the

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same cold war but it started to sort of

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get back on the cards again and when

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they went into Ukraine and they did go

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into Ukraine let's let's let's face it

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that was basically the beginning of the

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Cold War again Russia could not allow

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NATO to be in Ukraine no of course it's

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as simple as that Putin had no choice

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but to respond I think the West

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misjudged Russia's reaction I think they

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thought they could swallow them like the

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baltics so Bulgaria Romania and you know

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pay nothing for it just take it over and

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it didn't work and then they were

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absolutely astonished with Crimea they

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did not realize that this could happen

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and what they also didn't understand is

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that when they were saying but yes but

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Putin sent sent his troops there you

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know to to to take over

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Crimea the troops were there already an

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agreement with Ukraine

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25,000 soldiers and officers at the

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naval base in sast and that base is the

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pride of Russia and the guys I you know

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I know these people these are real real

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Patriots of Russia they were always

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saying you know crime has always been

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Russian you know 80% well 70 something

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per are Russian ethnic Russians and that

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was not Putin sending troops that were

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the troops and the Russians there

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deciding to take it back to Russia

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it welcome back to Sputnik at the end of

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headquarters of the TU in London a

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galaxy of star speakers yes including

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yours truly will gather for a conference

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on Latin America Prime among this August

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lineup will Dr ala gavara she's the

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daughter of CH gavara a man whose star

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shines even brighter in Argentina than

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lonel Messi even though Chay hasn't been

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around to score a goal for 47 years one

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of the conference organizers is Matt

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wilgis of the Venezuela solidarity

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campaign and we're glad to welcome him

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on board the Sputnik Matt we'll talk

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about Venezuela in a minute but tell us

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about this Latin America conference

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what's the range of subjects speaker

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organizers and how do people even at

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this late hour get to it thanks George

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um the Latin America conference is on

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Saturday November 29th at Tu Congress

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house in central London you can register

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or get the program at ww. Latin Amica

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2014.org do.uk in terms of the agenda of

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the day there's over 25 different

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workshops covering all aspects of Latin

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America country specific workshops on

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Cuba Colombia Venezuela which I'm

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involved in Ecuador Nicaragua Bolivian

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so on but also topics on themes so

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looking at things like the role of Latin

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americ providing solidarity to the

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Palestinians and working for peace in

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the world did world of free education

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and the student movements in Latin

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America Shay G's daughter ala G is like

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the keynote speaker of the conference

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this year and she's speaking in um I

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think four different sessions one um a

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sort of a plenary session to the whole

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conference two um organized by the Cuba

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solidarity campaign one I think with

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your good s and then she's also

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introducing a film that she made about

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the late who go chz in another session

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as well which um I'll be introducing

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alongside her well that allows us to

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segue into Venezuela it's two years ago

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uh you and I were on the streets

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campaigning in Chavez last uh Victory

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and you know this one scene that we

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witnessed that stays in my mind so

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strongly when we were walking the

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streets of kakas there was this argument

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between this elderly lady and a young

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school student and they were quite loud

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L about it and it turns out that she was

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angry at the young boy for calling her a

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capitalista amazing only in Venezuela

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only in Venezuela I thought I think he

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called her out cuz she had a nice quot

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on her was quite quite an unfair uh

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allegation but the one I remember is as

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we stood in fact I I shed a tear uh this

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large group of very poor women uh moving

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along the street joyously singing Chavez

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Corazon Del Pueblo the heart of the

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people it was simply Unforgettable visit

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and he seemed like a a bull yeah uh that

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day in the rain in the rain uh and yet

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he was taken from us so uh so swiftly

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how's the country coped with the loss of

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President Chavez well I think um the

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immediate after after of President

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Chavez's death obviously saw a great

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outpour of grief and sympathy and you

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know literally hundreds of thousands of

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people on the streets they had to keep

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the cofin open for days and days on end

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so everyone could go and pay their

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respects but I think what is concerning

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is that people who opposed to the sort

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of elected government in Venezuela and

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the chavista project if you like have

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seen the death of shavis as an

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opportunity to um opportunity to

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destabilize and undermine the Revolution

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and in their eyes ultimately overthrow

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the success to Shas The elected former

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Trade union leader and foreign minister

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Nicholas Maduro and so in the last year

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basically since last year and a half

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maduro's been elected and since January

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we've seen different attempts from the

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sort of extreme elements of the right

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bring opposition in Venezuela to um

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undermine and destabilize the elected

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government and I think we should also

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remember um on a show like this that the

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US role in supporting and funding to the

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tunes of millions of dollars those

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extreme ring elements in Venezuela so as

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a campaign we've um T sort of titled

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what's going on this after Chavez The

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Empire Strikes Back and um so there's

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number of concerning elements of the

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situation at the moment for people who

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support democracy and social progress in

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Venezuela well the United States

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supports democracy so much they're ready

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to spend billions to overthrow the

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product of it they have done in the

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Ukraine successfully uh and they are

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trying so far unsuccessfully to do the

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same in Venezuela what about the local

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uh actors uh there appears now I'm sorry

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to say to be the development of a kind

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of Death Squad uh potential I lived

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through the death squads in El Salvador

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and in Nicaragua and I saw for myself

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with my own eyes some of their Grizzly

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handiwork uh a very young uh chavista

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parliamentarian was murdered

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horrifically with his partner at home

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uh tell us about that um well recently

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on the 1st of October there was a murder

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of um Roberto Sarah who was the youngest

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member of the National Assembly in

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Venezuela um a young lawyer and the

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leader of the youth wing of the

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Socialist Party which is the governing

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main political party in the parliament

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in Venezuela to which the president

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belongs and um he was found murdered

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alongside his assistant in his home um

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and obviously there's police

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investigations and so on criminal

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proceedings are ongoing but the um

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former president of Colombia anesto

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sampa who isn't a man of the left um but

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is now in a leading figure in unau which

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is in a simplistic ways a bit like the

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Latin American European union he said

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that it showed a worrying infiltration

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of Colombian paramilitarism into

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Venezuela and obviously farri

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paramilitaries in Colombia have been a

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concern to supporters of democracy and

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the left for a long time um but also

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this you know this tragedy comes within

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a

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historical context of the elements of

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the Venezuelan opposition consistently

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trying to do things outside the sort of

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electoral game basically because they

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keep losing elections and they've lost

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two elections national elections it

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should be remembered since Chavez died

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so if they were banking on Chavis dying

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to mean they would come back immediately

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to power the Electoral route didn't

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provide that so some elements obviously

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the opposition in Venezuela are looking

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at all sorts of different things so

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earlier in the year they we had the

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Lasser movement which I think you

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covered on on this very program um which

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was a sort of serious of violent Street

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actions aimed at destabilizing the

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situation in Venezuela but that sort of

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died out they've died out now but um you

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know a number of innocent people lost

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their lives as a result of that and the

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stated aim of that campaign political

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aim was the outing of the Constitutional

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elected government before the end of its

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term so um we need to be very Vigilant

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about the situation in Venezuela and CH

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Vigilant I think so I think um a lot of

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people obvious the situation you get a

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lot of media misrepresentation here in

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Britain about it but the situation early

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in the year all things considered you

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know at the end of that President Mador

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still had much higher approval ratings

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than the

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opposition the um country sort of got

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back to normal and you know continues to

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try and announce a whole wave of new

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programs and social progress in a number

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of issues um so I think you know weeking

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personally I've been immensely impressed

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with President maduro's leadership in

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what obviously was shavis dying first

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then this violent campaign and now

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things like this assassination is not an

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easy time no no no uh he's been uh

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towering uh presence uh in the last year

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and a half Lally I'm wondering yes

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literally uh I'm wondering uh how United

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the left is in Venezuela one hears or

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reads stories admittedly in hostile

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newspapers and I don't read Spanish so I

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don't really get the other side uh I'm

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I'm wondering we we hear these stories

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about uh Pro Chavez revolutionary people

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sort of taking the Law into their own

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hands and not being happy with this or

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that aspect of the new government tell

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us about that I think um you're right

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there people obviously who have a

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interest in opposing the Revolution and

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the government exaggerate divisions in

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Venezuela on the left but equally

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Venezuela isn't um you know it's it's a

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new sort of former 21st century

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socialism in its own is which is

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evolving so it isn't um a one party

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State and within the left although

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nearly everyone is in the united

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Socialist Party has brought together

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over 40 organizations there are other

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organizations like the Communist Party

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of Venezuela and some the PPT and others

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that support the government that aren't

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in that so there will be disagreements

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on a political level between those

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parties for example um but at the

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Congress of the governing party which

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was quite recently I the reports I read

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in Spanish the majority of them like the

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main people who organized their sort of

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opposition press conference saying they

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were sort of opposed to madur but was

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Chev stad weren't even delegates to the

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conference um they oriz a sort of you

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know I think a very small group of

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people um and also I think we have to be

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very wary of a lot of these media

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stories about people taking the Law into

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their own hands unless we know the

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specifics of the case um but I think in

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terms

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of the discussions going on since Chavez

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and shave it's also important to

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understand that and going back to the

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conference that we discussed that

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there's also a regional Unity emerging

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in Latin America man to left which

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strengthens mad's hand in that situ yes

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it does and uh and indeed even unites uh

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people who are not all entirely of the

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of the left but who could be described

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as patriotic uh Latin Americans tell us

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finally about the venez Venezuela

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solidarity campaign how do people join

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it what does it do so um the Venezuela

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solidarity campaign next year will be um

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celebrating our 10th anniversary I think

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George is doing one of these events in

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February I don't know if he knows that

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yet but um we' be having a season of

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events to celebrate our 10y year

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anniversary um if people want more

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information or to join they can go to

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ww. Venezuela solidarity. co.uk we've

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got a wide spectrum of support um we

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work closely with a group of people in

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Parliament we've had backing from the

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Tec and most of the Trade union movement

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and um we see our AIMS in a lobbying

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sensus to Lobby that the British

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government doesn't follow the hostility

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of the US Administration towards

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Venezuela which is very real and the

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threat of us sanctions is not just on

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the table but it's slowly being rolled

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out now as Obama reacts to the

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Republicans going to a senate and so on

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um but also to tell the truth about

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Venezuela and to present a picture that

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we regard as a more real picture of

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Venezuela and you see on the media a

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picture of you know mentions the gains

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in health and education and poverty

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reduction and so on which isn't to say

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there isn't problems in any country of

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course um but it doesn't give you know

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gives a counter to the Relentless

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negative coverage that sadly we've seen

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so much of the media fairness in the

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British media I saw a pig flying by Matt

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wilgis thanks for joining us on board

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the

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Sputnik and now it's your turn to tell

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us what you think through the portals of

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social media what's rattling Guri well

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when we tweeted uh the daily mail's

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headline uh of Russian spying on our

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activities in and out of the house we

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received an such a funny response so

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much funny responses to it Alistair

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McIntyre says well it must be right it's

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in a daily fail and Rachel devoy

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responds well when the US and UK spy

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it's for our own good but when Russia

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spy it's bad give me a break it's not

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even true I mean the idea that Russia

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with the all its many problems is over

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here looking at people in Milton Kings

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what they're doing in their kitchen but

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but as you said it should have been on

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April 1 as an April fool joke yeah but a

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lot of fools fall for it and there are

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millions of fools read The Daily Mail or

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the daily fail as she called it on

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Venezuela will commandante Chavez Legacy

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survive J Brand answers he changed the

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world so how could he' not well that's

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no guarantee because the world can

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change and change back and change again

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two steps forward one step back let's

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hope it's only one step back well that's

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it that we have for this week which

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means that's the end end of the show

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stay in touch with us on Twitter at rtor

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Sputnik and on Facebook on Sputnik on

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Russia today it's goodbye from me G and

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from me George Galloway it's been

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marvelous

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